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Nick Griffin on DMC TV

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All right, we should be on. Evening all, welcome back to the channel. As you can see here tonight, I've got probably my biggest, well definitely my biggest guest today in Nick Griffin, former leader of the BNP and member of the European Parliament. I did have an impromptu interview once with Tim Farrand, but that wasn't a proper interview. That was a two, three minute thing in Bournemouth Town Centre. So very happy to have Nick here tonight, giving up his time. as I say Nick is the former leader of the BNP was during my teenage years quite a big big deal I'd say back in the late noughties early tens um we'll get into where he's been in the last decade or so and uh what's been going on in his life but Nick um without further ado can you give us a quick intro to yourself please yes Dan

thanks for having me on uh and looking forward to the show uh so as you said I was notorious as the leader of the British National Party I was elected to lead it in 1999 when it was frankly an unelectable political joke and soon made it electable and for about 10 years it was the substory of every single election about whatever the big issue was it was how much damage is the BNP going to do to this consensus how are we going to stop them so it was very exciting times in the end they stopped us basically by promoting Nigel Farage and UKIP which meant that inadvertently we caused the rise of UKIP to the stage that we got a referendum and we got a Brexit, which, as you know, is a very flawed Brexit, Brexit in name only to an extent. But nevertheless, it did make an awful mess of the European Union, which is something of which I'm quite proud.

brilliant brilliant so Nick can we talk you through your life your introduction so I know that you went to Cambridge from my research into you for this podcast you've come from quite political backgrounds so can you talk us through your teenage years getting into politics Cambridge the National Front after that being involved in

politics was as you say in the family really almost unavoidable my parents met at the communist party meeting where they both gone as young conservatives to heckle and cause trouble. And my mother was with a group, she was at 17, with a group of very young, young conservatives who were completely overawed, this was in North London, by these very tough, communist stewards, lots of them ex-servicemen, lots of them Jewish taxi drivers and so on, pretty tough and they were very quiet when they were in the heckling and there was a man 10 years older on the other side of the room who at one stage was standing on a chair hurling abuse at the platform and that was my father so that was how my parents met so I grew up in this very political household Some of my earliest memories of being involved or watching as a child at Conservative campaign rooms, taking my tricycle up and down the road in 1964 with a vote Conservative poster on my back.

So, you know, I'm guilty as well. And I was very much involved in the young Conservatives until I joined the National Front at the age of 15, partly because the NF was saying just the blunt truth about immigration in the way that the Tories wouldn't but also at the time because it was militantly fighting literally on the streets when it was attacked communism and back in those early to mid 70s there was a general feeling on the right and also on the left in British politics actually that Britain was going to follow the path of Finland in terms of becoming increasingly a satellite state of the Soviet Union and in the end up being swallowed up and the Conservatives everybody else talked about this but did nothing and there was the National Front when their meetings were attacked by the far left they simply fought back and that appealed to me that's why I got involved.

So that appealed to you with the NF compared to the Conservative Party was there ever a temptation with yourself obviously being a Cambridge graduate to sort of hide in the background of the Tory party and progress through the ranks there and

Nick Griffin A bit late by then that was what that's what my father said you know you should do he said you can be a Tory MP you can go right to the top and I think really politics is a greasy pole wherever you are so if you can get to the top in one thing you're quite possibly in the other so he may have been right but no I joined the National Front at 15 when I went to Cambridge I thought I'll keep my mouth shut for a bit So that lasted about six weeks before the Cambridge Union, the Debating Society, had a debate on this House would ban the National Front. So I went along, I was a member of the Union, so I went and spoke and I spoke for the motion, which was rather surprising, and I did it on the basis did it on the basis that all revolutionary movements have to go through a period of being illegal in order to toughen them up. Therefore, to ban the National Front would be to help it enormously.

I'm not sure whether I believe that, but it was a debating trick and it did work. The motion was defeated. but the following day the Student Union newspaper came banging on my door and I'd dearly outed or doxed myself as a member of the National Front so there was a point as I left university having got a law degree I was offered a place that this was the one moment really of decision I was offered a place in a really good barristers chambers on condition that I ditched the politics and at that point I said no I'm not going to so that was it but by that stage it would have been too late to join the Conservatives because as you know even Nigel Farage and co won't have ex-members of the BNP and the National Front at that time was really just the same if not marginally worse.

And how did being exposed as a member of the National Front at uni impact your uni experience?

It was It didn't make much difference I think in the college Downing College was basically a sports college and I was boxing so I wasn't sort of in the college teams but I was a sportsman and no one really there seemed to care but around the university there was a horror wherever I went there was a point the Socialist Workers Party published a leaflet which they put out all over Cambridge with in fact the Student Union paper did as well had a picture of what they thought was the window of my digs with an anti-Nanxi arrow pointing to it in other words throw your brick here this was slightly ironic because they got the wrong window it was actually the window behind which lived the chief of the College Gay Society so he was utterly appalled lived in fear I gather for many months for me for me on the basis that these people were you know seriously out to get me and the SWP were militant in their words they weren't necessarily tough they were all middle-class students by this stage I've been running around for some years with you know rough lads from the East End and Birmingham and so on so they didn't bother me in that way they were scared of me because I was a boxer they didn't know I was a featherweight so probably not that dangerous but I did at one stage having had a lot of threats I routed through a builder's skip and I found six or seven pieces of cut-off rebar about that long this is iron bars for anyone who doesn't know what a piece of rebar is so I took them from the skip and I went along my route from college to my digs and about every 40 yards where there was a bush or something similar I hid one of these lumps of iron bar or steel bars so that if I was confronted at any stage I was probably only 20 yards top whack from one of my iron bars I never needed them but they were there just in case so there was a degree of sort of tension there otherwise it wasn't Cambridge at the time the university rag mag the charity funding things I still got a couple of them in the attic somewhere and they were thought of the most appalling racist jokes Nick Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin

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With the NF, yes, definitely. We were involved. We had links with the West Ham lot, with the Chelsea Headhunters in particular. I wasn't hugely impressed with them. They turned up to a Remembrance Day parade, actually, in central London. that we had where the left was supposed to be turning up mob-handed and there was about 40 of them the headhunters and they were confronted by about 80 or 90 Marxists and they dearly made their excuses and left which we wouldn't have done because we knew that 40 of us could more than a match for 80 Marxists and it wasn't even a fair contest if it came to a serious fight but the football lads I think just took their own football experience and when you're outnumbered by the other side you're going to get hammered so you leave so I don't think that they were particularly effective they're somewhat overrated having said which you know there are some tough nuts and so on and I probably later on we'll talk about the efforts to drive Britain towards a civil war and part of that effort undoubtedly it's the same playbook as they used in the former Yugoslavia to wreck that state.

And it actually started by mobilizing the football firms. So they are of interest to people who wanted to cause trouble. I think that they tend to be indisciplined, as I say, they judge things by their own experience, so they're not particularly good political street fighters. But we had a few connections there. The British National Party didn't, a lot of sympathy at Rangers in particular, but we didn't really have any connection like that certainly not in my time and I've never heard of it in the time before I got involved in sort of 94 95 when I first got involved there was always you know fellas who went to football not that many fortunately I've always said to people that it's a ghastly bread and circuses if you're going to play football fair enough but to go and watch professional football at enormous expense it's a it's a sort of fake consciousness it allows people to to vent their tribal instinct in a completely useless and sometimes self-destructive way so I think it's it's desperately bad we would have used them if the opportunity arose and if there was a need but neither was the case okay that's very

interesting Nick thank you before we move on to the next topic of the night can you talk us through the success in becoming an MEP in 2009 and what led to that and how I don't know how long you could go on for about this before we move on your

experience of the European Parliament well I should have become an MP in 2004 actually we had enough support in the North West even then and in order to stop us they turned the pole in the Northern England seats I don't know if it was all over England or just in the in Yorkshire and the North West the pole was made all postal on the basis it would have a higher turnout it would keep out the BMP this was passed we went through the House of Commons on the Nod in the House of Lords there was some resistance to the idea of just gerrymandering the whole electoral system just to keep out Nick Griffin which is what several of the Labour MPs who spoke for this change in the House of Lords said if you vote against this you will get Nick Griffin elected in the northwest of England so you've got to vote for this change in the law so they did vote on the change in the law it was all postal and huge numbers of our ballots we know for sure were spoiled we know that for two reasons we were getting we had a number of calls from supporters sympathizers working in town halls very often you know the the lower level the cleaners and the electricians and so on and they were saying look every single lunchtime there's some of the top ones you know these these leftist scumbags going into the room where the ballots are and they're just led there and they're taking away handfuls of your ballot papers and they're bringing you back spoiled so we had that anecdotally and when we saw at the count there was there was tens of thousands of spoiled ballot papers and quite often because these they'd already been sort of separated out by this stage when we saw them quite often that you see dozens of these votes where all the votes for the BNP were in different hands sometimes even different pens pencils and so on you know some were very firm some were little shaky old lady type x's all sorts of x's some giant ones everything like that and then you'd have 50 or 60 little neat crosses next to the ultra socialist candidate which thereby two votes, the ballot paper is invalid.

So we were robbed in that one otherwise that had been in MEP for 10 years. So the second time around in 2009 we were looking what can we do about this it was now not a full postal ballot but there was still an awful lot of people voting by post a huge huge number and we knew that we had some votes amongst those and we worked the postal votes very very hard because someone with a postal vote is far more likely to vote in an election so you identify them off the previous electoral roll and you identify them as a voter and you make a point of knocking their door, you get them extra literature, etc, etc. So we hit the postal votes very hard, but we knew there was no point. If our postal ballots, they were going to be open every single day during about the last 14 days of the poll, and then kept in the council ballot boxes, which were basically sort of like a cardboard box with council seals on.

So we said to the council, we're not happy with this. So they said, well, you know, they're sealed. We said, yes, they're sealed by your people. with the seals that they've got unlimited numbers of, so it's not secure at all. And they said, well, tough, that's the rules. We found out it wasn't quite the rules because there was a law from going back to the very early 20th century, which stated, we don't even know if anyone had ever used it, but it states very clearly that any political party can affix its own seals to the ballot boxes. So we had 42 or 44 counting centers in the northwest of England. And we had a team, a rota, so that we had someone there every single day when the postal votes were counted. And every single day they put our seal on the ballot box, which the ballots were being kept in, on top of the council seals. Now, in most of the areas, the council workers, the bloke in charge, returning officers said, well, never seen this before, but okay, fair enough, no harm.

Some of the areas, Manchester, Liverpool, places like that, with a hardcore militant type Labour Party apparatchiks running the show, they went ballistic about this, and they were calling the police, these people are trying to interfere with the ballots and so on, so we thought this, well we knew this was going to happen, so we'd given all our volunteers had chapter and verse of the electoral rules, which showed that they're entitled to do this, so the Police Officers all when questioned so yeah well nothing we can do sorry so we did that as a result of that the number of ballot spoiler ballot papers absolutely crashed and I was elected by this is in a constituency with 4.4 million potential voters and I was elected by fewer than a thousand votes that was my majority over the second UKIP candidate UKIP won easily and then it's a very complex voting system was used used for the European elections.

Is it halved from memory?

You get someone elected and then your remaining votes are halved. So you've got to have someone else elected. So we squeaked in just beating UKIP and about 1500 votes ahead of the Greens. But if we hadn't had that immense effort to seal all our ballot papers, then we'd have been robbed a second time. So that's how I ended up there in 2009.

That's fascinating. When we think of electoral fraud, I guess we think of third world countries or maybe America 2020.

Just one more example of the sort of electoral frauds that we had in Stoke. We were very strong there. But before we became strong, the Labour Party created an elected mayor of Stoke. which they thought was theirs by right. Even then used to weigh Labour votes rather than count them in Stoke. So that was their position by right forever. And then we came very, very close. And that was a system where you had a second preference vote. And the second preference votes were only counted if you were the first or second party. After that they weren't counted. They made sure that we didn't make the second party, we were very close behind the Tories, we were almost the second party, at which point our second preference votes would have been counted. And they stopped that by, instead of the Post Office sending out or delivering every party's leaflets on the free post randomly and separately, everyone was in a book, in a booklet, which was delivered.

and the booklet obviously in the previous elections the booklet was always delivered before the postal ballot papers arrived obviously logically so this time when we were a real threat the booklet didn't arrive for several days after the ballot papers with the result that when the booklet arrived we had literally hundreds of people from Stoke phoning up over the next couple of days so our phone number was at the bottom of our mini manifesto we had hundreds of people phoning up the line saying I'd have voted for you if I knew you were standing I'd have voted for you if I knew what you were saying is it possible to change my vote so of course it wasn't so with that and a host of other tricks sorry Nick would you would you class that as fraud or just dirty tricks that's that's a dirty trick that's a dirty trick but in Stoke where we come on to the a different form of fraud so gerrymandering we come on to this in a moment despite this we just miss being elected and therefore our second pro preference vote wasn't counted but uh it was one of our people overheard two of the most senior Labour Party officials as they left the hall speaking about it and one said to the other the un uh the unspoken story of the night which was stay unpublished was the huge fascist second preference vote i.e the BNP because of course virtually everyone voting Labour because they really hated the Tories was voting BMP second and everyone who was voting Tory because they couldn't stand the thought of the Labour Party getting in again was voting BMP second so we have a swamping vote so the next time this came up knowing by this time we were even stronger.

They changed council ward boundaries to stop us. We'd overridden all of this. We were stronger. So the third time this came up, they dealt with the fact that BNP was going to win it simply by abolishing the position of Mayor of Stoke. There you go.

interesting very interesting I didn't know any of that so no thank you Nick I guess that's enough about you for now no I'm joking we'll move on to the next topic of the night which was excuse me is do with Rupert Lowe and Restore if you bear with me I'll sort of give my thoughts on this before you respond there's been a lot of excitement obviously on what you call right wing Twitter or X to do with the launch of Restore I did read yourSubstack on this a few weeks ago So I've got a few thoughts on this. You talked at the start about Zionism and the party's soft support, hard support for Zionism. And in preparation for this tonight, I did actually, I didn't waste my bank holiday weekend. I did watch the 2009 Question Time appearance. And there was one comment you made on it, because I'm aware of your ex-activity to do with the Middle East, which re-frew me. and this may have been a political comment at the time I don't know if you remember or not you essentially said that the BNP was the only party which supported Israel's I'm paraphrasing Israel's right to defend itself against some ass terrorists that really threw me but we'll just pause that for a second I'd like you to respond to that in a second yeah absolutely it's quite a big story that one actually in a way so yeah at the moment okay you go on in the Substack to talk about there's no electoral prospect of Restore winning in 2029 and that you think it's fantasy that people on right wing twitter even suggesting that can happen so can you go into a bit more detail about those two topics and also the third sort of sub question on this would nick griffin vote for reform based off that subject i'm not

convinced you would i just want to know deal with this chronologically then and do something first so i actually said that um or meant to say uh that the bmp we we support we have we accept the right of Israel to attack Hamas we also accept the right of the Palestinians to attack Israel because it's not our fight that's it it's not our fight now this came about I'm fully in support of the Palestinian cause you know now and all through I can't be in support of Hezbollah or anyone like that because it's illegal, you know, so I'm not. But I'm fully in support of the Palestinians right to establish a secular Palestinian state in which a significant number of especially ultra-Orthodox Jews say they'd be happy to live because they regard the Zionist state as a blasphemy. But that's by the by. Anyway, that's my position. But a year before, a little bit under a year, Before the question time, I was approached through our press office by a man by the name, surname of Mort.

Mort was the surname he gave. And he was a clearly very well connected young Jewish activist. And he said, we'd like to meet. We'd like to meet you. I'm meeting you on behalf of a broader block of people. We want to meet and discuss the possibility of cooperation. So I said, okay, I'll meet you. So we met at a pub near Rickmansworth and sat for several hours and talked things over. And his thing that blew my mind actually, he said, we've already given you a lot of help. So I said, what do you mean? So he said, well, don't you remember the article in the Daily Star? The Daily Star was absolutely our demographic. at the time and I did indeed remember the Daily Star approached us again some months before this and said we think that we'd be rather unfair on you actually and we've been looking and a lot of our readers support you so we'd like to be fair so we want to do an interview and and you know we'll run a big story on you so God wasn't born yesterday but we'll do the interview but you know it's not going to be fair you know no way anyway this thing came out and it was so ridiculously sycophantically pro-BMP and bigging me up that if they'd asked me to write it I wouldn't have dared to write it I wouldn't have had the cheek to write this thing it was a crazed piece publicity puff piece and he said well that he said you know Richard Desmond he's one of ours you can have as much good publicity like that in the star as you want and we can also get you some in some of the other papers as well the star is going to be the main one but it's your demographic and then he said do you remember the white season now the white season was a series of five or six uh weekly tv programs documentaries about basically immigration it was about white as in you know being white and one of them was about the the last white kids in a street in Bradford another one was about a working man's club in a heavily Muslim area just gradually dying on its feet for demographic reasons and they were all basically just bigging up our votes.

This was in 2008. It was an incredible series. The advert for it was, well, there were several. One of them was a British bulldog sitting in a park and a succession of obviously foreign dogs, you know, great Danes and poodles and Afghan hounds came along, raised their legs and pissed on it. And that was, you know, this is how white people are feeling in Britain today. Do you feel like this? This is sort of Goebel-esque. levels of propaganda, quite astounding. And even more than that, there was one where the advert for this whole series was a tight close up on the face of obviously a white working class man, typical white van man. And a brown hand came across and wrote in ink on his face in Urdu or something similar. And then another one and then something in some East European language and he was written over until his face turned black. Now, this was a staggeringly powerful propaganda. So this Andrew Mort said to me, we did that, all of them, in order to boost you.

And I went and checked and out of the six programmes, five of them were produced by, they were also shown on Channel 4, but five of them were produced by small independent Jewish TV companies. The sixth one was done by a group of Sikhs. So Mort said, you can have as much of that as you want. so I said well you know it all depends on why what's going on here and I say if you people have realized that for demographic reasons and so on that Israel actually isn't safe long term for you or it might be a problem so if you decided now that you need a life raft then that's already Israel isn't safe yeah that's what that's what I suggested that long term israel oh you sorry okay sorry Israel may not survive okay or at least maybe you know maybe seriously risky so are you people wanting a life raft that you can bail out to and if that's the case then despite the fact that overwhelmingly the campaign to push the the spearhead of the campaign to push mass immigration on Britain and through the law to silence opposition to it was overwhelming overwhelmingly through Radical Left Wing and Radical Zionist Jews.

That was where the pressure of mass immigration has always come from. There's OK, the capitalists want it for cheap labor, obviously, and the the general left wants it because they're just anti British. But the the key part of this was always from, as I said, mainly radical left wing Jews. So I said, if you now are radical right wing Jews and you decided that was a mistake, then we'll work with you. And we're not the people who hold grudges so if you're going to help us like that it's so important to us that I will do my level best to decommission the anti-semitism there is in the BNP and you know why because every single organization that's opposed us over years and the National Front before that and mostly before that was organized by your people so if you will help us now we'll try and decommission all of that and I said we'll go as far as we will take instead of saying we support basically the Palestinians we will take an absolutely neutral line on Israel and we talked about this he said that sounds quite good and then he said well what about you know would you do more than that so I said no we're nationalists if you want us to back your wars then forget it no deal absolutely I wouldn't do I wouldn't whatever you could give us Nick Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin As far as I was concerned, there was still a question mark over this.

So in question time, I bit my lip and made this comment, which showed that I was sticking to my proposed side of the bargain, that we'd be strictly neutral. So yeah, the Israelis are entitled to throw bombs that way. And the Palestinians are entitled to throw bombs that way. Ain't nothing to do with us.

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It nearly got me jailed twice talking about this. But at the time, we were also talking about the other side of this punk Islamist coin, which was the grooming of young girls, but a systematic wave of violent racist attacks on young lads, up to and including murder. And apart from Chris Donald, he's the only one who's remembered. All the others have been forgotten. and all the people who are trying to push to drive white working class Britain mad with hatred against Muslims over the grooming thing. They never mentioned this side at all. But we were talking about that. So we were talking about the problems which came with Islam and especially radical Islam. We were talking about those before Mr. Moore came along and we continue doing so afterwards. But we always said it's not just a matter of the Muslim population. mass immigration from the third world is bad regardless of the faith religion or

lack of it of those involved sorry Nick so are you saying that obviously everyone's aware nowadays of the rape the rape gangs the vermin they are are you saying that in a similar way white lads used to be attacked in previous decades because no because i'll tell you Nick Griffin I've only ever heard from family and friends, I can't use the term, was Pakistani bashers, for example, I've only ever heard that side of it.

Nick Griffin The Paki bashers, it was a wicked thing, stupid,

nasty thing Nick Griffin Give me some language on the channel, sorry.

Nick Griffin Oh, sorry, sorry. Nick Griffin You're on YouTube. Nick Griffin I'm using it, I'm condemning it. That's what it was called, it's still talked about, and that's how they describe it. So I'm condemning absolutely, it was wicked from the start, but it was something that happened in the 1960s. It didn't happen. from the 80s onwards, the bashing was all the other way. And you had no barriers for white lads on the edges of every single Muslim ghetto area in Britain. And there were scores of white lads beaten or stabbed to death over those five or six years. We actually ran a campaign, Racism Cuts Both Ways. And that was a big campaign. Our campaign on that was even bigger than the one that we did on the grooming gangs. because it was absolutely in your face and no one was talking about it. And to this day, no one talks about it. As with the grooming gangs, it has retreated to a degree.

It's receded. Most of the grooming gangs who are now still being brought to justice, it's historical things from years ago, and they should be brought to justice. They should be castrated as far as I'm concerned, and then reported. But they're mostly, it's in the past. and most of that violence has also calmed down so the grooming the sex attacks that are going on now are not being done by groups of young men from that community they're being done from by tiny groups or individuals of very recently arrived boat migrants who are also occasionally stabbing and attacking white lads but on nothing like the same scale but it was a huge problem and it's still an injustice which cries out to heaven to be put right

I'll be honest I've never I don't know if it's because I'm originally from London or the South not aware of that there was plenty of it down there as well there was

plenty of it down there so you had obviously Chris Donald in Glasgow just about remembered but Gavin Hopley in Oldham Ross Parker in Peterborough there were dozens Richard Everett in just near Euston Station 15 year old lad there were scores of including down in London especially in the East End it was a really big thing

interesting I've only ever heard the other side I'll be honest no thank you for that was very interesting about your question time answers thank you Nick so for move on now to like with restore with the next subset restoring and reform yeah why is it why is it politically impossible for restore to within three years or eight

years it's utterly ludicrous on Thursday Nigel Farage reform are going to sweep the board throughout the Red Wall and in many Tory shires as well they're going to take over a thousand seats or it'll be a jaw-dropping failure you know they're going to take a huge number of seats there's no doubt about it and the political elite will go absolutely ape about it and all of them be condemning Farage and saying this is appalling and blah, blah, blah. And they'll be suggesting, should we actually ban this party? What on earth are we going to do? And although the the echo chamber, which is X. And social media and X is an absolute echo chamber because Elon Musk has got the algorithms tweaked to a point that serious radical nationalists like me, we virtually don't exist. the reaches is we're nailed to the floor. Whereas the Tommy Robinson types, the fakes, they're all over the place, and they are pushing Rupert Lowe like mad.

But outside of the echo chamber, the masses of people, millions and millions of voters are going to see reform become absolutely become even more clearly the way in which to kick the Labour Party. They're going to see reform being the people who are so far ahead of the Tories, that in the next election, the Tories are going to suffer from the old wasted vote argument. You might want to vote Tory, but if you vote Tory instead of reform, you are going to get a Labour, Green, Islamist, Marxist, SNP government. You've got to vote reform. You can't vote Tory. The idea that Rupert Lowe can break through that in three years time, it is truly childish. It's pathetic. The people have allowed themselves to get so wound up and so scared of what's happening to Britain. And it is scary. but there's such a blue funk about the idea that in 25 years time we're going to be a minority and we're all going to get murdered on our beds.

This is all bullshit. In 25 years time when we become a minority we'll be the largest minority in a nation of minorities and the liberalism and the softness which came from being top dog and the majority is rapidly going to get pushed out of the British people and things will change and if we're a well-organized minority being the biggest minority with other minorities like the Sikhs and the Christian Africans and all the rest of it and even the hardcore Muslims when it comes to things like LGBT poisoning schools we can do deals with all these people and we'll all be jostling at the trough and once we're no longer liberal and our communities are properly Obviously, that's why I spent my whole life opposing mass immigration, saying this is what is going to happen. But if that's going to happen, there's no reason to be so terrified that you have to start waving magic wands or writing letters to a political father Christmas that Rupert Lowe magically is going to overcome reform.

and come to power in 2029. It is nonsense, particularly because one of the reasons I look at what Rupert Lowe is doing and how a man who must be fairly clever because he made a lot of money in the city with trading and so on. He must be fairly clever. So for him to be telling people we're going to win in 2029, I actually have to wonder if actually Nigel Farage has put him up to it. because Nigel Farage is a very, very, I'm not saying he did, but it's a possibility. Nigel Farage is a brilliant politician. That's not praise. I always regarded being called a politician as an insult because politicians are lying, they wheel and they cheat. So politicians are the scum of the earth. They're way lower than estate agents who are much maligned, actually. But Farage is a brilliant politician. He's the big political beast of this era. And he's very sharp and he knows perfectly well that the reason that UKIP precursor to reform was able to get where it did and to break out of just being a party of protest at European elections was the fact that the British political elite and media elite in general and the BBC in particular was terrified of Nick Griffin and the BMP and he did a deal with the BBC to promote him against me so I was lynched once on Question Time he was on 22 times in the same period when under the BBC rules both of our parties having at least two MEPs in the European Parliament but no MPs we were entitled to the same number of appearances namely twice a year I got lynched once he was on 22 times they put him on have I got news for you and stuff like that so they boosted Farage up and also there was another advantage for Farage of the BMP that Britain as you know has got a fair few people driven insane by the injustice of what's been done to our people and often what's been done to their family are they absolutely full of hate against Muslim people and black people and Jewish people and so on beyond all reason but they want to get involved in politics so they used to come into the BMP and we try and calm them down and we try and stop them wanting to go and throw bricks through windows and do sensible political stuff we try and get them to moderate their language because we were getting them Nigel never got them so the BMP was a poultice which drew away this poison from Nigel Farage's movement now the BMP has gone and it's been gone several years as you know some years he's increasingly facing the problem well the circumstances which allowed us to rise where we've risen to are no longer there there's no hard right party which terrifies the media there's no hard right party which keeps the thugs of the left physically involved attacking it and bear in mind that when people like hope not hate or the trade unions and so on when they organize campaigns against the fascists it's a business dad it's a business it brings in money where they're stuck in trade they have to have a fascist thread of some sort and if there's no hard line party then they will turn all their guns on Reform and Nigel Farage.

He doesn't want that. And worst of all, you get all these crazies joining Nigel because he's the most right wing thing on the block, which is credible. So there's three very good reasons for Nigel Farage to want to have something to his right, muscling its way around and looking really important when he knows perfectly well that come an election, People have that they're no longer making protest about their local council or using the European elections to kick the Labour Party or the Tories or whatever. They are now deciding who is going to be the next Prime Minister. And the only choice will be the successor to Keir Starmer or Nigel Farage. And there might be five or six million people who want to vote restore because Rupert Lowe says all the right things. and it's a very slick social media operation and he's being plugged by the whole of the neocon and counter jihad Zionist media operation so millions of them are going to want to vote for him come the day they will have a choice and the thing if I vote Rupert Lowe I'm going to go Angela I'm going to get Angela Rayner or whoever it is so sorry I will vote for Reform.

I know this has happened, it happens, you probably remember in the first one I wrote about the subject, I went into a bit of detail about 1979 and the National Front. In 1977 and 78, the National Front became briefly England's third party. We displaced the Liberals, so it was Labour, Tory, National Front. It was huge in terms of mass support. And then Maggie Thatcher said one word, swamped, said I understand that the British people feel they're being swamped by immigration she didn't even say we're going to stop immigration we're going to support half a million anything like that no promises just I understand people feel they're being swamped we've got to do something about it and I was campaigning in Ipswich was more or less my hometown at the time and we got a fantastic support as we went around Ipswich in the last couple of weeks mainly with a loudspeaker car and so on honks for support waves thumbs up 10 times the number of votes we actually got in the end, which was less than 500.

And I spoke to some people and say, you know, I'd love to vote for you. You're absolutely right. I really can't stand the Tories. But Maggie is saying she's going to do something about immigration and she can get elected. You can't. So sorry, I'm not going to vote for them. I'm going to vote for you. I'm going to vote for them. And exactly the same thing will happen in 2029.

I understand what you're saying about Farage but I guess two points I've pushed back on is the Farage use of Rupert Lowe incident where he was chucked out of reform and arrested and everything and surely let's just say in theory Restore get three or four percent of the vote in 2029 surely if Reform there from 30 to 26, 27, that would be hugely detrimental. So I take your point about the business aspect, but surely those two aspects would be pretty important.

Overall, I think that Lowe is probably a loose cannon being promoted by and encouraged and incited by the counter jihad operation. and that on balance probably Moisheur has nothing to do with it. I merely raise it as it's a possibility. If it is, then what will happen is I would suspect that although Lo is going to keep his 120,000 members rising by the day, hanging on for the next three years, doing nothing, which is my problem with it, they should be organizing in our communities, organizing our communities as indigenous communities they should be working instead they're not they're sitting saying we'll all vote it's all going to come all right it's an excuse for a total idleness it's it's really really wrong but if uh Lowe is in goose with Farage all will happen just before the election they'll do a deal and Rupert will simply announce Nigel has agreed to stand down against me in Great Yarmouth and in return we're not fighting against them because it would only let the Labour Party in and his people can't do anything about it, because in order to stand these days for a political party, you have to have the sign, the signature of the nominating officer who is one of Rupert Lowe's closest men.

So it simply won't happen. They won't stand anywhere. Then they don't get the 3%. So that's entirely possible that he's still, that will be the end result. On the other hand, it's possible that Lowe is an incited loose cannon, in which case he's staggeringly stupid. because I pointed out it's blatantly obvious that he can't win in 2029 at most what could happen as you say supposing they got 6% of the vote then that basically means reform probably win 40 or 50 seats no more than that they get 8% reform don't win any and then we get by default we get a bigger left block landslide than we saw last time around that's the best that Rupert Lowe could do he certainly can't win but if he were to say on account of that we're going to spend the next three years my army of 150,000 people which will be in a couple of months and the two million are present a year that the membership alone brings in and they don't get anything for it so it's simply money coming in so we're going to spend that two million pounds and more money that we can raise on real in-depth local community building and especially we're going to get to work registering voters because, you know, Dan, there's 10 million people in Britain not registered to vote as people.

I'm not talking illegal immigrants. They're not entitled to vote. There's 10 million people who are entitled to vote, but not even on the electoral register. Now, a few of them will be young, feral Africans and so on in London and Birmingham who are simply outside the whole political process. It's certainly not the Muslims, the Sikhs or the Hindus. because all those groups and for that matter, the black African Christians and so on, they understand that votes is power and they all make sure their people are registered to vote. So the people who aren't registered to vote, about eight million of them are white working class Brits and they're not registered to vote because they think all politicians are scum. They're all in it for themselves and they won't make any difference. But Nigel, so Rupert Lowe has enough of an outrageous factor that his people knocking on doors in their own communities could get those people to vote I know it can work because we did it in the BMP in one experimental place up in Cumbria and in a town of five six thousand people we registered an extra eight hundred voters took us five months of the small group of people door knocking three or four times a week we knocked some doors eight or nine times to find somebody in and then we'd ask them if it went for us.

If they weren't supportive, we said thank you very much and went away. If they were supportive, we got them to register and where possible we got them postal votes. If Lowe did that, we had about 200 units with 12,000 people as members. Lowe's got 10 times that. He could have a thousand operating units, he could spend some money training them and the main thing they could do would be to mobilise this enormous white working class vote. which 8 million people is twice what Nigel Farage got at the last general election Keir Starlin was only elected with 9 million votes it's a vast number and if Lowe was serious he'd say to his people we won't stand in 2029 don't worry we're going to work in 2029 Nigel will get elected and you'll know he'll let us down we do we'll know that if he deports a fraction of the 400 000 he's now said he's going to deport over five years. That'll be more than balanced by the huge number of Indians he's going to let in because reforms policy is quite actually open, although people don't understand it.

It's not no immigration. It's net zero immigration for every Brit who leaves, for every Brit who dies. You've got to have two people in to maintain the balance because that's what the capitalist system needs. And Nigel is there for the capitalist system. So he will let his voters down. and if Rupert Lowe and co were organized for after that, then they could become a very powerful force, not least for the last thing I'll say on this before we move on, is that when Farage gets people elected in large numbers, it always turns out that within a few months, a lot of them are leaving him, they can't work with him or he axes them or whatever, and they defect. Who are they going to defect to in the House of Commons? So they could defect to the Tories, but the Tories are a busted flush. but why would they defect even if Rupert Lowe does get re-elected why would they go to him when he's got nothing to offer them at grassroots level if he spent the next three years building a community level organization the most powerful right-wing organization this country will ever have seen is within his grasp then all those people wanting to leave reform MPs would understand if I switch to Restore, I've got a real chance of being elected at the next general election and they would do so.

So Rupert Lowe would very rapidly going from being one man to being one of the most powerful blocs in Parliament, keeping Nigel Farage & Co. in office as long as they did what he told them. So that's what he's throwing away with this childish nonsense about overcoming Farage & Co. and winning in 2029. Something strange is going on.

I think both parties as well are very it's not nice for imagine if next week Faraj or Lowe were hit by a bus they would both parties would just collapse because they're one man bands but before we move on to the next topic this wasn't advertised because it only came out in the news yesterday to see a Yusuf's announcement about putting these migrant detention centers in green areas I've had mixed mixed views on this because part of me thinks people that vote green they prefer immigration I kind of get it but at the same time I guess you've got areas where reform might get 30% of that income second and those locations would still get those senators if the greens win and it could be seen as quite a malicious thing where people actually are turned off by reform but I don't know if you've got any views yourself

I think it's just about they are aware that restore they're not breathing down their necks but they are a danger for the split vote problem and so they are Farage is carefully calibrating the party to the right and a little bit of sort of outrageous stuff it won't it's not a serious policy but it's something that's ordinary people in the pub near me say yeah give them some you know that's what they need so it just it just helps to sink in and maintain the fact that Rupert Lowe isn't the only one who's telling it like it is an immigration is willing to do something so it's just a little bit of maneuvering and I don't think it's actually serious No, I don't think it's a Is it a good thing? That's quite funny, isn't it? But it's very unfair on those people. And what proportion of the population might elect a green MP? 25% of the voters in a closed contest, but only 50% are going to vote. So that's only 12 and a half percent and 10 million people aren't registered to vote.

So it's about 10% of the population, top whack, in a given area votes green. And as a punishment, they get a load of asylum seekers dumped on them so the only thing I will say is I used to say and still to a degree say the same thing or something vaguely similar which is that I have a certain schadenfreude when people in a very rich area like Horsham or whatever when they suddenly find that an immigrant centre in their patch in an old RAF base in their patch or whatever is devaluing their properties Well, boo, bloody hoo, because when it was white working class communities being smashed to buggery and having their girls gang raped and all the rest of it, these snobbish bastards didn't want to know. And they stared, they sneered down their noses at the BNP because we were knuckle, knuckle dragging working class scum. so now they get a bit of what they should have helped their poor compatriots vote against stand against in the first place so I don't I'm not totally eaten up with sympathy for the middle classes in these leafy lanes are now suffering what

ordinary people have suffered for a long time thank you Nick we've taken 55 minutes to do two of the five topics of the night because you can talk

Well you can either rush me through or you can park one or two and then we'll come back another time. Nick talk now about the prospect or your view that some are encouraging the prospect of civil conflict civil war in the UK so

I'm with an Irish background the one that comes to my mind is always Northern Ireland where you had two very distinct communities both large communities Northern Irish by the way or Republic side the Republic side so obviously the Catholic community in Northern Ireland has grown and it's overtaken the Protestant community now but it was always two very big distinct communities fighting each other conflict all the rest of it in Britain it's not the case there's a much what's the word I'm looking for there's lots of different groups there's not two clear big groups especially in places like London Birmingham etc so why do you think some are encouraging civil conflict and I guess I'm a bit lost about who the actual conflict would be between who would be on each side well the

You're right in terms of the sheer diversity. It does actually, to a degree, diffuse the problem when it's just one group A against group B and they're rubbing up against each other. There's no one else there. That's when it's at its worst, which bear in mind if you judge by London. Yeah, it's not really like that. If you go to Birmingham, actually, it is. It's very, very divided. And if you go anywhere else, especially in the Midlands and the North, it's the Pakistanis. and the Whites. And the level of hostility between those two communities is far greater than the level of hostility that existed between ordinary people, prods and Catholics in Northern Ireland in the 1960s. And I know that for absolutely sure, I spent lots of time there, I've spoken with elderly people, I've been to the Royal Anglian's Military Museum and they had a lot of time in the Troubles Spoken with people who were there.

So I can tell you for sure, we could go into it at length if you want, but there's more basic tension between some of the communities in Britain now, mainland Britain, than there was in Northern Ireland before the trouble was racked up. And then you've got, there is a problem in some areas, say Leicester is a good example, where indeed who's going to fight who? Because it's not just the whites, most of whom have fled to Leicester Shire. It's not just the whites, it's also the Muslims, and the Hindus. Now, the ones who came to Leicester in 1972 from Uganda, they were mainly middle class shopkeepers and basically they kept out of the way, the Muslims and the Muslims thought they ran the place. The Indians, the Hindus arriving in Britain now are much more working class. They're coming direct from India and they're much tougher and they're being pushed by the BJP government in India. all over the world in Canada and Britain and so on.

They're pouring quite hardline militant Hindu propaganda into their communities and money as well, because they want to turn them into lobby groups in other countries on behalf of India. So Leicester's got the capacity. It nearly came to it a couple of years ago. It was on the verge of exploding between two groups of them, not us at all. But overall, the people who are supposed to form the backbone of the coming civil war in Britain are the Muslims, against the rest. Now, I've always, as you know, been particularly against Muslim immigration because it's a more problematical thing because these people are bound together by a common faith and a set of values which are different to ours. And therefore, there's a problem of, it's not a matter of assimilating. I don't want my people to assimilate with them because assimilation is a form of genocide anyway. It's not a question of integrating. It's a matter of getting on together and sort of rumbling along.

and having people who are so very different and so unified is going to make things very very tricky indeed so it's supposed to be the Muslims against the rest and it's not is this being done a bit it's wall to wall from people like Steve Laws well to the right of Tommy Robinson through Tommy Robinson and I documented back in 2012 how the English Defence League was a wholly owned subsidiary set up by an American neocon lobby around Dick Cheney and it was pushed on an enormous scale through people like Rebel Media and so on through Robert Shillman the multi-billionaire over in the States is funded Tommy to a large degree. It's pushed massively by American Zionists, specifically Likud Zionists. So these are the allies of Netanyahu and co. And they push they push that on a mega scale. But then you go right through to GB News, which is basically a news channel which is about Muslims behaving badly.

And that's funded by Paul Marshall, who was a Liberal Democrat. and he's a he's a venture capitalist and his venture capital to start his business came from George Soros so there's something very strange going on here so it's wall to wall and then on top of that you've now got you must have seen Professor David Betts on various talk shows talking if you've looked into a while back yeah a while back so Professor David Betts isn't just some slightly eccentric professor he's head of war studies at the University College London sorry King's College London and King's College London provides the political commissar training for the entire upper reaches of the British military and the upper levels of the British civil service and they have a 43 million pound contract with the Labour run home office to do this now if David Betts was speaking out of turn if he's actually concerned about Islam and so on that would have been stopped paying So it's being allowed to run, just as the British state allows Tommy to run, because they could have had him for drugs or income tax fraud, like they got Al Capone, any time they want it.

And they don't, they just let him, they let him run. And you have one of the, or several of the main spokesmen, retired generals from the British Army, also now saying, we think there's a civil war around the corner. and Betsy's position is an explains it actually very articulately. He says that it's really a matter of a law of averages when it's not just Britain, it's also France. And you've had French generals saying the place is on the verge of explosion in the Civil War. It's also Germany, it's Holland, it's Sweden. And Betsy's position is that if it happens in one place, it'll spread by contagion. And it's not particularly likely to happen in Britain, like 5% a year. But when it's 5% in Britain, 5% in France, 5% in Holland, blah, blah, blah, then in any one year, you've got a 40% chance of it going off. Within five years, it's going to go off big style. The only question in my mind is, is Betts just reporting this?

And it is a serious issue. Or is he actually inciting it? And when he speaks, as he has done repeatedly, he promotes a thing, a document called Crown Crescent Pitchfork. The Crown is obviously the forces of the Crown. The Crescent is the forces of Islam. Pitchfork is how this manual for terror describes the indigenous resistance. It's put out by a group called Gates of Vienna online, which was also founded by the same people that founded the English Defence League. And it's a manual for indigenous, not just resistance in this, but for our people to, he calls it herbicide, the killing of cities. and it's a staggering piece of race, hate, religious hate, poison. It's out there and Bets happily draws people's attention to it. He hasn't had his collar felt. So this is all deeply, deeply dangerous. Now, whether they can get this civil war, I don't know. Ten years ago, it would have been easy because 20 years ago, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, between them, were pouring vast amounts of money every single year into very radical Wahhabi Islamist Outreach Groups and so on in Britain.

And they have vast sums, which they were using to spread their very, very, very extreme form of Islam in ordinary communities. But they stopped doing that and Saudi Arabia basically has now decided that they switched and they're going to try and create a sort of gay friendly liberal capitalist soft Islam. and have lots of tourists etc etc so they turn that tap off that for that reason young Muslims are not getting this intense radicalization which they were say 20 years ago when we were up against them so there's that there's also the fact that 20 years ago most young Muslims particularly the lads well none of them went to university now it's more than half their girls go to university and coming up for half their lads far more than our lads and once they get to university obviously they're they're going into a giant brainwashing machine and a lot of them come out of it, a lot of them turn queer, so gay probably if this is going somewhere where perhaps queer is an improper term so a lot of the term turn gay most of the girls come out feminists at the very very least they're coming out wanting careers and they've got to pay back their debts so they're not going to go back to their community immediately marry and have six kids so their birth rate is dropping through the floor It's still above ours, but it's dropping very, very rapidly.

And the aggression out of their community is diminishing. They're becoming more like the soft, effete, brainwashed Brits that are around us. So they don't want to fight. They will fight if the crazy if the crazy whites can be wound up enough, including perhaps by hoping that Rupert Lowe is going to do something. There's one last there's a political route. all faith in the political route and in 2029 it goes fut and at that point there'll be 120 150 000 people who would have committed themselves and paid money for this political cause to try and save their country it's no longer there what do they then do and it only takes one group of them to say after something like a mugging gone wrong or another 15 year old girl raped by a couple of blokes who shouldn't even be in this country and have only just got here and a gang of them go into a Muslim area and attack a Muslim property possibly a mosque and because the Muslims run the taxis the minicabs within five minutes they will have 50 or 60 people there tooled up with iron bars very tough very hard and knives and they will kill someone or several people it's all it takes it goes bang and if he does go bang You talked about your family connections to Ireland and so on.

The British Army now is a quarter of the strength of the British Army, which is almost a full stretch to keep Belfast and Londonderry calm. There was only 400 IRA men at their peak. That was it. Belfast is a small city. Yeah, there's no comparison. There is no possibility. that the police could keep the two communities or the three or four communities apart if they actually start fighting. And the army is so pathetically small that that wouldn't do any good either. But that matter, the army is still primarily white working class. And to let the army loose in Bradford would be to risk an utter conflagration because they're quite capable of going wild and shooting everyone in sight. Bloody Sunday. and incidentally the Paris who carried out Bloody Sunday against the Catholics they're also you know they're also hated in the Shankill because a few a couple of weeks before Bloody Sunday they also opened fire on a Protestant crowd in the Shankill because they were out of control there's a young man of 18 19 full of testosterone and they're terrified and one of their mates has been killed by one of these bastards so you know they go wild so the british the british army would not be a good thing to try and keep birmingham quiet with so there's a there's a serious i think it's those who say it's going to happen i'm massively exaggerating it because they want it to happen i

don't want it to happen because no one will win i'll just jump in then nick because the first one's just a comment i remember with douglas murray in the build-up to the Armistice Day protest with the Palestine marches. He was on a trigonometry episode and some of the things he was saying in that really, really threw me, that he was just being aired as it was nothing. So I take your point on that. I guess two other questions on this is you say that this British army and the police couldn't handle it. do you not think with Southport they were able to stop that very quickly with the state forces and I guess the other question is why would people promote this I know that on other channels and you have just here said that obviously this is an awful thing and anyone promoting it is a joke and no one wins in the end in these sort of conflicts again like both of us just say it's not a thing to advocate for but why do you think some people are promoting it

what was it there was a question before that what was that do you not think they dealt with Southport they could control Southport and the riots what they weren't really riots were they were they were noisy protests with a fair bit of alcohol taken and there wasn't that much actual violence and it was only one community it was only it was the whites coming out in quite the Brits in quite large numbers but the two the communities were not clashing it was very close in a couple of places basically they didn't clash So the police can always deal with a white crowd because white crowds are soft, quite simply. And the police have had 20 odd years of liberal indoctrination. They're quite happy to batten working class whites to beat the shit out of them. They cannot do that, especially with Muslims. They're always too politically incorrect is more than their jobs worth, blah, blah, blah. But because it was only one side, they're able to keep it under control.

Whereas when you've got two sides who want to kill each other, if the police stand in the middle, both sides attack the police and the police will run because most of them are pathetic. The little girls are five foot two and college wimps who've had an excess diet of wokeism. So the cops will run and resign and hide if it really kicks off. I'll tell you, they're not like the cops used to be. But even if they did stand and fight, There's not enough of them to keep. Yes, they could keep, say, the whites in a working class estate in Halifax from attacking the Muslims and vice versa. They could probably keep Wrexham under control. They did. That was fighting some years ago. There were massive riots in Wrexham 20 years ago between local lads and Iraqis, and the police managed to calm that down. But that took police from all over Wales, the West Midlands, Liverpool, and Lancashire. It wasn't just the local force, one they can cope with, two or three they can cope with, goes over in 20 places at once, and they simply aren't there.

And at that point, again, I've seen enough of mob violence, including in Brixton with black crowds in the early 1980s. I've been involved in riots in Northern Ireland. I've seen plenty of riots. And when it really kicks off, a crowd mentality takes over. and people do just crazy, insane, horrible things. And that's why they weren't going to control it. Now, why would anyone want this? Two, first of all, this is an intention to drive the British people so mad with hatred for Muslims that they're quite prepared to stand by, if not applaud and have their government send weapons, to the genocide of Gaza, to a war on Iran. to the future wars that in order to establish Eretz Israel, Greater Israel, apart from anything else, they had to take over half of Saudi Arabia. How are they going to do that? So when they had the Iraq war and the British public was so thoroughly against it, working class wouldn't fight, the middle classes wouldn't pay taxes.

And there was this enormous resistance to it. That, I think, was a warning sign to the people who once these series of wars in the Middle East that they had to do something to get the Brits on side but not just the Brits the French the Germans etc etc so there's them doing that that's it's without a shadow of a doubt basically if people doubt it just go and do some research you'll find you'll find pointers and evidence coming out of your ears very quickly I have a separate thesis for which there is far less evidence, other than what I mentioned that the same playbook that the United States, the CIA and co used against the former Yugoslavia. And America, the people running America are not our friends. They are not on our side. They have forced Europe to commit energy suicide by Russia, by sanctions which are not aimed against Russia, because Russia is able to sell its oil elsewhere. The sanctions against Russia are actually aimed at Germany, the German industry and Italian industry and British industry.

The Nord Stream pipeline, carried out by the Ukrainians, but obviously they wouldn't have done it unless the CIA gave them the nod. So that was an attack on Russia. That was an attack on Germany because Europe and Britain are rivals to the dollar and the dollar is crumbling. The petrodollar is already dead. and the dollar as a reserve global currency is crumbling. The only way to keep America wealthy and stable when it's up to its ears and beyond in debt is either to push the dollar up, can't be done, it's a de-industrialized mess, or push other people down. And they created a war to take Yugoslavia apart. They've had George Soros, who everyone points to George Soros and says, oh, he's a Jew. and they don't look step back a bit. The George Soros for 50 years has worked like that with the National Endowment for Democracy to provide him most of the funds for what he's done. That is the CIA.

So when people are just looking at George Soros, they're not seeing that behind this. This is the deep state of the United States, which helped create the First World War to destroy the European empires, helped create the Second World War to finish them off. And equally, they are always at war with Europe because America is run by a criminal kleptocratic monstrosity and they're not on our side and for them to tear Britain and France and Germany apart in civil war gives them two things pushes the dollar up vis-a-vis them sorry three things it also means that when it's all over they can come in with some sort of martial plan and say if you give us all your farmland we'll rebuild your cities and so on isn't that nice of us and then the third thing is that America has an Elon Musk who's a very powerful figure with the people now really around Trump. He knows this very well. America has a terrible demographic problem.

Demographic winter, the same as us. The people who actually make America function, basically European Americans, are dying off and not replacing themselves. So America has a long-term problem. Robotization can deal with it to an extent, but America needs more European Americans. Hasn't got them. They did a little experiment the other year, a good thing in a way. They said to the Boers in South Africa, if you want to come to America and stop being persecuted as a white, tiny white minority in South Africa, you come to America. And some did. And I believe that a key factor of what America is doing is that at some point in the not too distant future, if the Trump revolution thing actually manages to survive the chaos that's going on now, which is perhaps unlikely, if you had a post trump republican party government and when the middle east oil industry is lying in ruins in a few weeks time America and Venezuelan oil is going to be far more far more valuable so America can to a degree be rebuilt but to do it they need 20 or 30 more million more young whites who want to go and become Americans and what better way to get them to go than if Britain and France and Germany and Denmark and Sweden and Holland are civil war basket cases with no future only danger and America says come to us and millions will go so I think they want this as well that's fascinating Nick thank

you I could ask a million questions on that but we're running out of time it's a

big subject

We could talk about the Middle East wars or you propose to talk about global lockdowns 2.0 and I think if it's okay we'll talk about the latter because we talk about this channel about Israel and Palestine a lot so and yes we touched on that anyway so can you I'll be honest I'm ignorant naive on this what is global lockdown

2.0 well you know what global lockdown one was yeah right I think probably all of you viewers know that so that was that that was that one but it was only ever experimental it could only ever be temporary and it was you know in due course relaxed and stopped but the World Economic Forum which isn't a standalone thing it grew out of the Rockefeller Foundation's pushes in the 1960s the limits of growth and the idea there's far too many people we've got to restrict industry etc etc it grew from that and the World Economic Forum has quite openly said that we need to drastically shrink the carbon footprint of humanity and they've also said very openly there's no point looking at the people right at the top you know the people who fly around in private jets because there's so few of us that even if you stopped us flying in private jets it wouldn't make any difference so leave us and our private jets please we're above this and then they also say then there's lots of people in the third world but their carbon footprints are actually already so low generally that you can't depress them anymore so they're not a target either the target is the global middle class which is you me and all your viewers that's the key target and they want to reduce our carbon footprint how the hell do you do that when you have a political system which is at least in theory a democracy and which you have populist past parties which are part within the system but quite prepared to go rogue if there's enough support to allow them to.

So it's a very it's now very unstable this. So how the hell do you Clamp Down and have basically the lockdown they need and they they taught they we need a climate lockdown they said it's quite open we need a permanent climate lockdown people to fly far less on foreign holidays people to eat less meat people to live in 15-minute cities this must come in they make no bones about it and but it has to be sold politically and it's politically unsaleable if on the other hand Iran and certainly not going to talk about Israel and Iran But if Iran can be provoked, which we might see in the next few days, they've already had nibbles at it. If they can be provoked into destroying the energy infrastructure of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, which they're capable of doing to question if they want to do it. If they can be provoked into doing it, then you no longer just have a blockade or double blockade keeping hydrocarbons flying from the Middle East temporarily you don't have a Middle East hydrocarbon industry it's all in ruins so when Trump was saying he hasn't said it again for a couple of weeks but he said repeatedly if the Iranians don't behave themselves we're going to destroy their desalination plants you've probably seen that you've been saying this now that sounds like a terrible threat to a desert country doesn't it but Iran isn't a desert country it's the size of Germany France and Spain put together it's enormous it's got huge mountain range ranges enormous rivers lakes reservoirs all the rest of it it has two percent of its water just over two percent of its water comes from desalination plants on the islands in the gulf because they don't have rivers and reservoirs and pipelines are difficult it's cheaper to have a desalination plant so Iran doesn't need these salination plants to exist Saudi Arabia gets 70-80% of its water from desalination plants.

So if Iran's plants are attacked and they retaliate by destroying Saudi Arabia's, it's goodnight Vienna for Saudi Arabia, 10 million people, including the ones who work the oil rigs, will be out of water in 48 hours. So that's it. So you destroy that. So that's where we get a global Climate Lockdown, Lockdown 2.0, because it would wear that close to them actually destroying 25% of the world's hydrocarbons, 40% of the world's helium. You know, the only country in the world that produces more helium, without which you can't make computer chips, by the way, that's the point of helium. There's only one country in the world that produces more helium than Qatar. Do you know which one it is? The United States of America. United States is now sitting on vast amounts of Venezuelan oil which is heavy oil ideal for diesel and stuff like that but it's very thick it's very it's quite expensive to refine it's not really worth refining it's not it's not worth putting vast amounts of money into the infrastructure to rebuild it after years of sanctions unless the oil price is much higher than it has been if there is no oil coming out of Saudi Arabia Qatar etc for 10-15 years then that does the job as well finally on this America's fracked gas was a sort of bubble the only they producing vast amounts of fracked gas but it's so expensive to produce that for most of the history of the gas fracking operation it's actually been financed by people pouring money into it a sort of Ponzi scheme the price that liquid natural gas is now American fracked gas all of a sudden is extremely profitable and they've got vast amounts of it So as long as the prices remain like they are now or go even higher, then between Venezuela and the Canadian tar sands and the frat gas and everything from actually the continental United States, the greater North America, which Hegseth has talked about, which Elon Musk's grandfather proposed back in 1940 as the Technate, The Greater North America becomes, if there is no energy coming out of the Middle East, the Greater North America becomes the world's main source of spare hydrocarbons.

And China is at present still drastically reliant on Middle Eastern hydrocarbons, but is moving away to electrification very rapidly. So there's a brief window of opportunity in which the United States of America, although suffering a lot of economic pain at home, as we will in spades, the United States of America stands the possibility that China basically collapses because it doesn't get enough energy and because its export markets which is what its economy is based on simply die because the world is going to go not into a little recession but into a full-blown depression and that is what is going to produce lockdown 2.0 and it's quite clearly deliberate Trump is not mad or if he is mad he's just being used by people who are not mad they are very very bad there's only two ways this might not happen it's going to happen this unless either China says this is simply too much of a risk we haven't diversified yet enough and they send their navy to confront the americans in the gulf and the americans depart or it could spiral into world war three and that's you know but you don't need any oil when you're dead anyway so china could stop it because probably china would beat america because china can lose half its fleet and China will have a month of national mourning.

America loses 100 Marines and America's in hysterics. So America can't take the losses like the Chinese can. So the Chinese might simply say, well, come on, then we'll do this now and end the blockade. And before Iran is pushed into destroying the Middle East, as I believe Iran is supposed to. by these people. The other people who can stop it are the sensible generals and so on in the Israeli Defense Force and the sensible, mainly secular Zionist politicians, the bloc in Israel, who on October the 6th, two years ago, were on the point of going to civil war against Netanyahu and his side. And those people are still there. And if they conclude that the war that Netanyahu wants to stay out of prison and which Schmock Rick and the other crazed religious lunatics want because they're mad as a box of frogs and think it's going to bring the Messiah back etc etc so if the sensible secular Zionists decide that the Iron Dome has actually got too many holes in it and we're getting too many Merkiva tanks knocked out by Hezbollah fiber optic drones etc etc we need an armistice at least a truce if not peace then if they can force the crazier people in Israel to go for peace, then you get peace and this doesn't happen.

But if the current if the current leadership of Israel stays in control, and if the Chinese blink or simply think we can survive, we'll bide our time, then you're going to see chaos in the Middle East. It's only just started.

I'll be honest Nick I'll probably have to watch this back to make sure it all goes in that was that was a lot and we possibly need to watch it in six months time to

see if I was right or not I was going to ask what's the timeline in your predictions is it years is it months I don't know because the this American war against China which is what they see is more than anything else Yeah, OK, the Israelis wanted it and pushed it. Netanyahu pushed for it again. People are looking at the Israelis. They're all blaming the Jews. They're not blaming the people who run the United States of America. Many of them were wasps, but very, very rich wasps, super capitalist wasps. So they're getting what they want, which is gradually strangling China just by keeping things as they are. So they can just go in and out with a little bit of War one week and a little bit of peace the next and every time Donald Trump posts something which leans things one way or another the various criminal vermin around him placing bets on oil futures etc etc are making billions of dollars so they've got every reason just to keep this going for quite some time rather than escalate it but the Iranians have got every reason to escalate it because if they escalate it in the end Trump will basically end up is blitzing the Iranians.

And then once the Iranians are blitzing the America's allies in the Middle East, Trump will just disappear. It's job done. And that is potentially what the Iranians are the ones pushing for that because they know that's what's going to happen. Trump is going to create all sorts of chaos. They may devastate the rest of the Middle East, but it's not going to destroy Iran. Iran is simply too big and too stable that even if they nuked it, If they knew Tehran, it wouldn't destroy Iran. So Iran only has to have a militarily standing to win. But they need to do it sooner rather than later because they too are gradually being strangled financially. And, you know, obviously not everyone in Iran is hardcore Muslim revolutionary. So they risk if this goes on for six months, they risk potentially being overthrown by a war weary population. so i think the iranians will want to bring this to a head within a month i guess

but we will see fascinating i must be honest nick when you when you emailed about wanting to discuss when i see the word lockdown i get these feelings inside of just of i don't know pure anger about what used to happen a few years ago i can't i can't i can't really believe it actually i know it's a separate topic i can't really believe it actually happened no it it will happen that it happened

I can't believe it did happen it's quite astounding what happened but in terms of can it happen again well simply if aviation fuel is if it's available five times the price of what it was six months ago then the super rich the rich will still fly politicians will fly to their various conventions but you and me won't be flying it'll simply be too expensive or if we do fly you might save up for two years to go on a foreign holiday perhaps not go for a short break you know as many people do what six times a year something like that that's going that's going

no fascinating fascinating like you say we'll come back in six months for a year and see see how this prediction went Nick thanks very honoured we've had you for an hour and a half tonight thanks very much for your time um I'll say what it's very

interesting questions uh and do please let me know what your you know viewers think

I'd be interested to hear it absolutely will do I'll finish off by saying what I say to all my guests where can people find you on social media finally on uh x Nick

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